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Cronebane Token of Ireland
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Associated Irish Mine Company, of Cronebane, County Wicklow, Ireland - 1789.
This token half penny is probably the second issue of Matthew Boulton and James Watt. Records are unclear (or non-extant) but the issue for Roe & Company (see variety here with Bee hive) was probably first off of the line on the new steam driven press at Soho in Birmingham England (many sources site the Parys Mine Druid pieces, this is incorrect; they are famous for being first using a full automated process including collard dies, planchet placement and ejection). Therefore, this piece and the Roe/Macclesfield token are the first mintings on steam presses that helped usher in the Industrial Age! Between the two issues it has been estimated that 1.671 million half penny tokens were struck, 1M alone for this one. However, Boulton received the blank planchets already cut-out and the edges pre-milled by John Westwood.
This variety is different than the one depicted in the book "The Soho Mint & the Industrialization of Money" (By Richard Doty). Reverse legend should read 'ASSOCIATED IRISH MINE COMPANY', this one substitutes 'ARMS' for Company and the shield does not have background textures representing colors.
Diameter is ~29mm and weight is 10.63 gm, XF. Edge inscription is: "PAYABLE IN LONDON * BRISTOL * LANCASTER **". Full cutting, milling, and striking, by steam, was accomplished on the Parys Mine issues, see them here also. This is probably a counterfeit variety.
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Keywords: Conder, Boulton, Watt, penny
Denomination: 1/2 Penny
Reference #: pending info
Date/Mintmark: 1789
Condition: XF
Metal: copper

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BCNumismatics

Registered: March 2009
Location: Wellington,Dominion of New Zealand.
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March 31, 2009 5:36pm

Cronebane is located in the Republic of Ireland.I reckon that there should be a section titled 'Traders' Currency Tokens of Ireland',& this 1/2d. one should be transferred into an 18th. Century subsection.


Aidan.
BCNumismatics

Registered: March 2009
Location: Wellington,Dominion of New Zealand.
Posts: 64
May 24, 2009 8:11am

This definitely has got to be shifted under 'Ireland',as Ireland had a separate constitutional status prior to 1800.


Aidan.
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Arizona USA
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May 24, 2009 3:47pm

Aidan, Thanks for your comments! No doubt you are correct because the 'UK of Great Britain and Ireland' did not exist before 1800. I'll try to make corrections to the existing listing without creating a separate "Tokens" listing under Ireland. I understand how this could irk a specialist (maybe even a nationalist?). The G.B. listing for 'Tokens' is strictly there because of my interest in Boulton and the Soho mint and the issues were not sactioned by the government(s). Remaining this way also keeps 'Conders' in one location.


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